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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree co parenting is just a word to make both parties feel good about them selves and only 1 parent does the work...most of the time.  cudos to those who can make it work.  my ex and i will set up a visit or agree about a sport for our son to play or extra expenses easily enough....then his girlfriend will call or email and say no the agreement is off we have to do it how she wants it as &quot;she has just as much parenting say&quot; in our sons life as i do....when i say no and stick to the origional agreement he gets mad at me as well it is easier to make her happy than to think about your childs best interests and go ahead with the agreement.  how do you deal with the manipulative girlfriend...she once told me if i was any kind of a mohter i would give her my son so he would know a 2 parent home....when i confronted him on her boldness i was told i was a lier as she would never do that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree co parenting is just a word to make both parties feel good about them selves and only 1 parent does the work&#8230;most of the time.  cudos to those who can make it work.  my ex and i will set up a visit or agree about a sport for our son to play or extra expenses easily enough&#8230;.then his girlfriend will call or email and say no the agreement is off we have to do it how she wants it as &#8220;she has just as much parenting say&#8221; in our sons life as i do&#8230;.when i say no and stick to the origional agreement he gets mad at me as well it is easier to make her happy than to think about your childs best interests and go ahead with the agreement.  how do you deal with the manipulative girlfriend&#8230;she once told me if i was any kind of a mohter i would give her my son so he would know a 2 parent home&#8230;.when i confronted him on her boldness i was told i was a lier as she would never do that.</p>
<p>any advice</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Campos / FullCustodyDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Campos / FullCustodyDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a custodial parent, I so feel everyone&#039;s pain.  My Ex does this all the time.  First and foremost, I am mad when my Ex disappoints my daughter, but I keep it to myself.  While I agree with Kori that I have a right to be angry, VERY few parents can express their anger without cross that line of bad mouthing the Ex. So don&#039;t do it under any circumstances! 

Here&#039;s my solution:  When my Ex wants to do something or promise something, she has to clear it with me first.  I then give her a window of 30 minutes and make secondary plans without telling my daughter.  i.e. If mom shows up, then my daughter is surprised, if she doesn&#039;t then I am the only one disappointed and my daughter is never the wiser.

If my Ex promises something to my daughter without clearing it with me first, I then say, &quot;PERHAPS or MAYBE she&#039;ll do so-and-so but we will not get our hopes up. Ok?&quot;  I lower expectations.

For example (my Ex does this all the time):  Caitlyn will tell me, mom&#039;s going to have lunch with me on Wednesday this week.  I say, &quot;MAYBE she will have lunch with you, but we will not get our hopes up ok?  Go stand in the lunch line and don&#039;t wait on her.  If she shows, eat with her, if not eat with your friends.  I don&#039;t even care if you buy the lunch and she shows up, you can throw away your bought lunch ok?&quot;

In truth she never shows up--heart breaking I know.  In fact, I have asked her not to tell her but just surprise her--she still continues to make empty promises.  

Last point, when I hear about it later, I don&#039;t make a big deal about it.  &quot;Dad, mom didn&#039;t show up for lunch today.&quot;  &quot;That&#039;s why we made a plan for you to buy just in case.&quot;  After 11 years, my daughter knows who main parent is, she doesn&#039;t need me bad mouthing my Ex to come to that conclusion.
.-= Fred Campos / FullCustodyDad&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://daddygotcustody.com/blog/2010/01/19/mystory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Be the Better Parent – My Story!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a custodial parent, I so feel everyone&#8217;s pain.  My Ex does this all the time.  First and foremost, I am mad when my Ex disappoints my daughter, but I keep it to myself.  While I agree with Kori that I have a right to be angry, VERY few parents can express their anger without cross that line of bad mouthing the Ex. So don&#8217;t do it under any circumstances! </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my solution:  When my Ex wants to do something or promise something, she has to clear it with me first.  I then give her a window of 30 minutes and make secondary plans without telling my daughter.  i.e. If mom shows up, then my daughter is surprised, if she doesn&#8217;t then I am the only one disappointed and my daughter is never the wiser.</p>
<p>If my Ex promises something to my daughter without clearing it with me first, I then say, &#8220;PERHAPS or MAYBE she&#8217;ll do so-and-so but we will not get our hopes up. Ok?&#8221;  I lower expectations.</p>
<p>For example (my Ex does this all the time):  Caitlyn will tell me, mom&#8217;s going to have lunch with me on Wednesday this week.  I say, &#8220;MAYBE she will have lunch with you, but we will not get our hopes up ok?  Go stand in the lunch line and don&#8217;t wait on her.  If she shows, eat with her, if not eat with your friends.  I don&#8217;t even care if you buy the lunch and she shows up, you can throw away your bought lunch ok?&#8221;</p>
<p>In truth she never shows up&#8211;heart breaking I know.  In fact, I have asked her not to tell her but just surprise her&#8211;she still continues to make empty promises.  </p>
<p>Last point, when I hear about it later, I don&#8217;t make a big deal about it.  &#8220;Dad, mom didn&#8217;t show up for lunch today.&#8221;  &#8220;That&#8217;s why we made a plan for you to buy just in case.&#8221;  After 11 years, my daughter knows who main parent is, she doesn&#8217;t need me bad mouthing my Ex to come to that conclusion.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Fred Campos / FullCustodyDad&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://daddygotcustody.com/blog/2010/01/19/mystory" rel="nofollow">Be the Better Parent – My Story!</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.singlemommyhood.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tracy:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for joining our conversation.  Rachel and I definitely agree ...kids are the priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tracy:</strong> Thanks for joining our conversation.  Rachel and I definitely agree &#8230;kids are the priority.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every parent clearly has the right to feel when hurt. Though it is not the children&#039;s job to carry the burden of their parents feelings it IS the job of a mother or father to carry the burden of the children&#039;s feelings.

 Showing that you are hurt for the child and THEIR loss can be a comfort to a child, however disparaging the other parent because you are hurt or angry doesn&#039;t bring any comfort to the child and that should be the desired focus, the comfort and well being of the child.

 Whether either parent likes it or not the father and mother are BOTH a part of the child and when one parent belittles or vilifies the other parent to the child this actually hurts the child and his/her own self image seeing that most children derive their identity in part from their parentage. 

  When your &quot;Co-Parent&quot; behaves badly, the other parent should be there to support, comfort, and love their child through it without attacking the Co-parent in front of the child.  Then it is important for that parent to find others who understand and support him/her so that they CAN safely vent and find help themselves in carrying the burden of the pain brought on by the other parent.

 I and my husband are both Co-Parents and have and still do deal with difficult &quot;Co-Parenting&quot; issues, however as we have grown we have begun to understand that our children&#039;s burdens in life are great enough being a child of divorce and that we need to put them and their feelings before our own.  

They will see the truth of things when they are grown, though this truth May be different from ours since they are seeing through less bias eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every parent clearly has the right to feel when hurt. Though it is not the children&#8217;s job to carry the burden of their parents feelings it IS the job of a mother or father to carry the burden of the children&#8217;s feelings.</p>
<p> Showing that you are hurt for the child and THEIR loss can be a comfort to a child, however disparaging the other parent because you are hurt or angry doesn&#8217;t bring any comfort to the child and that should be the desired focus, the comfort and well being of the child.</p>
<p> Whether either parent likes it or not the father and mother are BOTH a part of the child and when one parent belittles or vilifies the other parent to the child this actually hurts the child and his/her own self image seeing that most children derive their identity in part from their parentage. </p>
<p>  When your &#8220;Co-Parent&#8221; behaves badly, the other parent should be there to support, comfort, and love their child through it without attacking the Co-parent in front of the child.  Then it is important for that parent to find others who understand and support him/her so that they CAN safely vent and find help themselves in carrying the burden of the pain brought on by the other parent.</p>
<p> I and my husband are both Co-Parents and have and still do deal with difficult &#8220;Co-Parenting&#8221; issues, however as we have grown we have begun to understand that our children&#8217;s burdens in life are great enough being a child of divorce and that we need to put them and their feelings before our own.  </p>
<p>They will see the truth of things when they are grown, though this truth May be different from ours since they are seeing through less bias eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear this story over and over again -the dead beat dad who basically wants the time but is unwilling to take the responsibility -the dirty work, logistics, etc. of raising his children. Its my story too. I went through many years of this -it deprives mothers of the joy of parenting that they should have along with all the hard work and sacrifice. Its so prolific that I believe its a social problem. Alot of it based on our -dare we say it- still patriarchal society. We can now talk about descrimination against blacks and other ethnic gruops openly but we still can&#039;t speak out about discrimination against woman -its still taboo. So until woman get their strong-hold -and they are getting there- men will slack and woman will carry the load in our culture. OK, I&#039;ll stop before I get out of hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear this story over and over again -the dead beat dad who basically wants the time but is unwilling to take the responsibility -the dirty work, logistics, etc. of raising his children. Its my story too. I went through many years of this -it deprives mothers of the joy of parenting that they should have along with all the hard work and sacrifice. Its so prolific that I believe its a social problem. Alot of it based on our -dare we say it- still patriarchal society. We can now talk about descrimination against blacks and other ethnic gruops openly but we still can&#8217;t speak out about discrimination against woman -its still taboo. So until woman get their strong-hold -and they are getting there- men will slack and woman will carry the load in our culture. OK, I&#8217;ll stop before I get out of hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does she have the right? Absolutely.

But this is shaky ground.  You come across too harsh and the kids may feel that they have to pick sides. Defend Dad against Mom.  Which is very bad.

In my situation. I have chosen to never say a bad word about her decisions.  Ever.

I focus on the positives. Speak the truth in a positive light and let her air out her own dirty laundry all by herself.

When it comes to this kind of story though. I would make it clear that she shouldn&#039;t cancel anything for him, until he says that he will.  Teach that a &quot;maybe&quot; is neither a yes or a no.

Until he says yes, it really is a no.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does she have the right? Absolutely.</p>
<p>But this is shaky ground.  You come across too harsh and the kids may feel that they have to pick sides. Defend Dad against Mom.  Which is very bad.</p>
<p>In my situation. I have chosen to never say a bad word about her decisions.  Ever.</p>
<p>I focus on the positives. Speak the truth in a positive light and let her air out her own dirty laundry all by herself.</p>
<p>When it comes to this kind of story though. I would make it clear that she shouldn&#8217;t cancel anything for him, until he says that he will.  Teach that a &#8220;maybe&#8221; is neither a yes or a no.</p>
<p>Until he says yes, it really is a no.<br />
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case in point:  I just got off the phone with the ex who is coming to our state this weekend and taking Halloween over, even though it is MY weekend.  When did I find out?  Tonight.  He says he told me months ago (In August he said, &quot;We might come out in October for Halloween&quot;).  I didn&#039;t hear any more about it and figured it was what it always is, and empty promise.  Nope, he&#039;s coming and actually got mad at me for objecting!  But now that he has told our son (before telling me), I can&#039;t cancel their plans.  So my son will be trick-or-treating twice, spending a couple of hours (which will turn into half a day) at an indoor waterpark on Saturday, and then staying overnight at the hotel with his dad, his dad&#039;s GF, and her three kids (wasn&#039;t this MY weekend??).

My solution?  He gets him one less day before Christmas this year.  You hijack my weekend, I hijack yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case in point:  I just got off the phone with the ex who is coming to our state this weekend and taking Halloween over, even though it is MY weekend.  When did I find out?  Tonight.  He says he told me months ago (In August he said, &#8220;We might come out in October for Halloween&#8221;).  I didn&#8217;t hear any more about it and figured it was what it always is, and empty promise.  Nope, he&#8217;s coming and actually got mad at me for objecting!  But now that he has told our son (before telling me), I can&#8217;t cancel their plans.  So my son will be trick-or-treating twice, spending a couple of hours (which will turn into half a day) at an indoor waterpark on Saturday, and then staying overnight at the hotel with his dad, his dad&#8217;s GF, and her three kids (wasn&#8217;t this MY weekend??).</p>
<p>My solution?  He gets him one less day before Christmas this year.  You hijack my weekend, I hijack yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a few good books out there. Joint Custody with a Jerk  and Custody Chaos Personal Peace (I actually preferred this one).  Both sort of assume that you have reasonable communication with the other parent which isn&#039;t always the case. Use e-mail, text messaging and take emotion out of the equation. It isn&#039;t your relationship anymore. Your child&#039;s relationship with that parent will be what THEY make it. You have to give up that control and that desire to be the facilitator of that relationship or you will drive yourself insane. Be there to support your kids but not to bash or protect the other parent. If you can&#039;t let it go you do need to seek therapy and so do your children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a few good books out there. Joint Custody with a Jerk  and Custody Chaos Personal Peace (I actually preferred this one).  Both sort of assume that you have reasonable communication with the other parent which isn&#8217;t always the case. Use e-mail, text messaging and take emotion out of the equation. It isn&#8217;t your relationship anymore. Your child&#8217;s relationship with that parent will be what THEY make it. You have to give up that control and that desire to be the facilitator of that relationship or you will drive yourself insane. Be there to support your kids but not to bash or protect the other parent. If you can&#8217;t let it go you do need to seek therapy and so do your children.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ex is also unreliable, making promises he never keeps, etc.  When my son gets upset because his dad has yet again blown him off, I try to acknowledge his emotions, let him know that it IS a disappointment, and then distract him with other plans.  

However, never in a million years will I tell my son how angry I am with his father for being such an a-hole.  That&#039;s my &quot;relationship&quot; with my ex, not his with his father&#039;s.  I can share my emotions with my friends and family, but I am the adult here, and I don&#039;t want my emotions to influence his relationship with his dad.

When his dad starts making promises that I know he can&#039;t keep, I say, &quot;Don&#039;t&quot; and cut him off.  He&#039;s starting to understand that until you know for sure it&#039;s going to happen, you don&#039;t say anything.

Suggestion?  Ask the father not to share plans directly with the daughter.  That way mom can control if and when she lets the daughter know about dad&#039;s plans (surprises are ALWAYS better than disappointments).  If he won&#039;t do that, ALWAYS follow up a contact with dad by asking about plans, and making sure the daughter understands that NOTHING is set in stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex is also unreliable, making promises he never keeps, etc.  When my son gets upset because his dad has yet again blown him off, I try to acknowledge his emotions, let him know that it IS a disappointment, and then distract him with other plans.  </p>
<p>However, never in a million years will I tell my son how angry I am with his father for being such an a-hole.  That&#8217;s my &#8220;relationship&#8221; with my ex, not his with his father&#8217;s.  I can share my emotions with my friends and family, but I am the adult here, and I don&#8217;t want my emotions to influence his relationship with his dad.</p>
<p>When his dad starts making promises that I know he can&#8217;t keep, I say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t&#8221; and cut him off.  He&#8217;s starting to understand that until you know for sure it&#8217;s going to happen, you don&#8217;t say anything.</p>
<p>Suggestion?  Ask the father not to share plans directly with the daughter.  That way mom can control if and when she lets the daughter know about dad&#8217;s plans (surprises are ALWAYS better than disappointments).  If he won&#8217;t do that, ALWAYS follow up a contact with dad by asking about plans, and making sure the daughter understands that NOTHING is set in stone.</p>
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		<title>By: BigLittleWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigLittleWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to what CJ just said. The assumption(reasonable) is that both parents want what is best for the kids, even if one has issues. 

Unfortunately, that assumption isn&#039;t always the way it is. There are cases (many) where one of the parents is excellent at manipulating everyone (including a judge), and the result is that the other parent, fully aware of this, is left with damage control at every turn. 

Judges are overworked and looking for worst case scenarios (typically physical abuse). Short of that, THEY make assumptions, readily accept untruths, and it leaves the other parent and children with a legacy that is a fine line to walk. 

There&#039;s no &quot;win&quot; situation here for anyone, and the legal system is of no use. The only possibility is to manage an unmanageable situation that you are never in control of. That means exercising judgment and walking that fine line between honest preparation and damage control with children, and still allowing for the fact that any child wants to love both parents. You have to find a way for both, if possible. Not always possible, but we tend to try.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to what CJ just said. The assumption(reasonable) is that both parents want what is best for the kids, even if one has issues. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, that assumption isn&#8217;t always the way it is. There are cases (many) where one of the parents is excellent at manipulating everyone (including a judge), and the result is that the other parent, fully aware of this, is left with damage control at every turn. </p>
<p>Judges are overworked and looking for worst case scenarios (typically physical abuse). Short of that, THEY make assumptions, readily accept untruths, and it leaves the other parent and children with a legacy that is a fine line to walk. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;win&#8221; situation here for anyone, and the legal system is of no use. The only possibility is to manage an unmanageable situation that you are never in control of. That means exercising judgment and walking that fine line between honest preparation and damage control with children, and still allowing for the fact that any child wants to love both parents. You have to find a way for both, if possible. Not always possible, but we tend to try.<br />
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